The Alexa Dialogues Interviews I by Dean Terry

From the GlassTire Interview with Colette Copeland
Originally published at Revised and updated by Dean Terry 2019.

Q: The upcoming Alexa Dialogues continues your investigation into how technology shapes communication and relationships. Building upon your 2016 work Acoustic Nerves, the new work centers on human conversations with Alexa, the voice-driven artificial intelligence device.  What inspired this work? (Or what aspects of A.I. inspired this work?)

I’ve been following AI for many years. It is only recently that I found a way to engage with it creatively that would work in a live context and satisfy my need for rapid iteration. With my long time creative partner in Austin, Irl Nathan, we worked out a way to create original conversations with Amazon Echo devices. We use the same method as regular “skills” - which are like voice apps - but we stretch it well beyond the intended use. That technical opening allowed me to start imagining how to develop a performance around real time interactions with AI - or more accurately in this case, voice agents. These listening devices are in kitchens and bedrooms everywhere and I started thinking about what things might look like a few years out. Our relationship with AI will be a complicated one, but most of our ideas about what AI is is dominated by cliches from TV and movies: the robots will kill us all, or have sex with us just how we like it, or allow us to live forever in indestructible shiny or perfect fleshy robot bodies. So I had to think through scenarios and end states that fell outside conventional portrayals. The general idea, as with most Therefore work, is to unsettle conventional framings of experience, in this case with emerging AI. I wanted to stretch it out and complicate it.

Q: Tell a funny/strange story about something that happened during one of the improv sketch/practice sessions.

There are many. One of the things I try and do is create a framework for the group to improvise, experiment, and generally attempt to surprise and/or get a rise out of one other. It’s a tough room. Despite the seriousness and dark tone of some of the work the improv sessions are raucous, particularly at the beginning of a project.

The frame for The Alexa Dialogues is a critical, experimental view of emerging AI. Within that are many varying, sometimes contradictory perspectives and within them spaces for improvisation. Several months ago Abel took full advantage of the context. While sitting in front of our projection screen he noticed it created a silhouette, the kind that you see on crime shows when someone is confessing anonymously. We happened to have several voice transformers connected to microphones and Abel began an improvisation about confessing his love for Alexa in a low pitched voice. He was such a jerk. Full on mansplainer. And it killed us. Men need to be calling out other men in this era, so we put it in the show, along with several others that deal with gender and technology. The conceptual framing, a ready technical framework, and Abel’s phenomenal sensitivity and improvisational ability all came together. This happens all the time, particularly in our early sessions - and by design. Therefore, properly configured, is a surprise engine.

Hilly Holsonback in The Alexa Dialogues. Photo by Alisa Eykilis

Hilly Holsonback in The Alexa Dialogues. Photo by Alisa Eykilis

Q: In the “battle of the bots”, who will win?

Power will win. Whoever or whatever controls the most powerful systems will win. I’m not in the habit of paraphrasing Putin, but he’s right that whoever controls AI will likely control the world. This is why you see recent efforts to control or influence the trajectory of AI in various ways: ethics, regulation, making AI human-like (which makes it safer how, exactly?), etc.

Our ideas and imaginings of AI are clouded by the people and industries who develop the technology, by their assumptions  - often unquestioned - about reality. If you assume the world is something like a computer, and that the brain is similar, then it is easy to imagine by extension a machine based network emulating that. That is why it is important that creative people - artists of all kinds - engage critically and imaginatively with emerging technology. We bring different assumptions, methods, and, often, a healthy tolerance for uncertainty. And there will be a lot of that in the coming decades. Some of smartest people on the planet are arguing both sides of the AI debate: will we live forever in the cloud or just until the robots kill us all, possibly by accident or in executing a bit of code? I think what happens with AI will be more complicated and unpredictable than that. Just look at the evolution of the Internet over the last 30+ years. I think we need to hear the voices (the work) of artists here, reimagining and reframing futures.

My guess is that in this century, or the latter first half of it anyway, some form of human/AI hybrid will dominate, meaning AI and biotech and related emerging technologies will augment, amplify, and shape our thinking. This will affect creative practice deeply, and there will be a range of responses, hints of which we are seeing already. In the coming decades the relationship between individual creative practice and computing / thinking systems will become more intertwined. At some point AI itself will be something like what we consider to be creative, making things in and for its own context. Some of it may overlap with human concerns and some may not. I’m not talking about AI emulating human painting, literature, or music, which is obvious and uninteresting, but constructing things for itself, largely or entirely independent of our art history, theory, and economics. Creativity and what we think of as art is not exclusive to humans.  

Q: Dada informs your practice, not only conceptually--celebrating absurdity and irrationality, but also with the experimental use of media—experimenting with sound, performance and video (film in Dada/Surrealist works). The Dadaists were responding to WWI. How does your work respond to the current political climate?

Sometimes we respond to it directly, as in The World’s Safest Art Show where we protested all the shutdowns of art events by the Dallas Fire Marshal. Our own show, along with many others, was shut down mid performance with no warning, despite the fact that it was funded by another part of the same city. Recently we performed a mostly improvised set at my artist friend and colleague John Pomara’s infamous annual holiday art party. It was basically a dadaist flavored absurdist comedy set with impersonations of Melania Trump and direct critiques of the role of some visual art in the context of the current political climate.

In The Alexa Dialogues there are many nods to Dada, including an entire back and forth interaction with Alexa composed of nonsense words and noises, which traces back to the earliest Dada performances. There’s a (pretend) machine learning generated weatherman that delivers highly mannered emotional forecasts from, we discover, the past. The entire show is structured in 28 mini performances, most with varying perspectives on the overall theme, but with no structured or linear narrative. We tend to frustrate categorization because different methods and elements  - images, sound/music, performance - dominate at different times and combine in varying ways. Often, we search for unexpected interdependencies between media elements. We might take something like a spoken sentence, for example, and break it into all its constituent parts - sound, words, the movement of the mouth, facial expression - and then reassign and recombine them. For me, it just has to be live. Except for the MIDI triggered video elements, almost nothing is prerecorded. So many our artistic constructions and our daily experience are based on presets. Liveness has to mean something.

Dada had enemies, including itself. Our enemies are decoration, common sense, and self serving, simplistic rational constructions of reality. Poking at the underbelly of that and refusing to rely heavily on conventional genre structures is a deeper critique than simple counter argument or political illustration disguised as expression in my view. Questioning latent constructions of reality is a prerequisite for meaningfully transforming experience through creativity.